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[I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235581] Sa, 11 März 2006 11:08
Petri Sakari Holopain  
Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
Eurovision Song Contest.

http://www.lordi.org/

They play hard rock dressed in heavy monster costumes and
make-up, backed by pyrotechnics. When they give interviews
they wear those same costumes and act in character.

I'm actually interested enough to watch the constest itself for the
first time.

Petri
Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235586 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 11:38
Jens Ayton  
Petri Holopainen:
> Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
> Eurovision Song Contest.
....
> I'm actually interested enough to watch the constest itself for the
> first time.

I watched it with my family a few years ago to see how t.A.T.u. would
get around their solemn "no snogging" promise. Getting all the backing
dancers to do it instead was mildly amusing.


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Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235591 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 12:34
sphira9343  
Petri Holopainen wrote:

> Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
> Eurovision Song Contest.
>
> http://www.lordi.org/
>
> They play hard rock dressed in heavy monster costumes and
> make-up, backed by pyrotechnics. When they give interviews
> they wear those same costumes and act in character.

And in the UK, we appear to have some white rapper with backing dancers
dressed up as schoolgirls.
CCA
Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235593 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 12:38
jester  
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:08:44 +0200, Petri Holopainen
<petri.holopainen [at] kymp.net> wrote:
>
>Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
>Eurovision Song Contest.
>
>http://www.lordi.org/
>
>They play hard rock dressed in heavy monster costumes and
>make-up, backed by pyrotechnics. When they give interviews
>they wear those same costumes and act in character.

OK, this year could be really interesting 8-)

UK entry is a rap song, with dancers in school uniforms:
< http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/eurovision/2006/mymu/contestant_ dazsampson.shtml>

So, what weird acts have the rest of Europe (and others) got for us?

--
Andy Brown
One item could not be deleted because it was missing.
-- Mac System 7.0b1 error message
Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235610 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 15:01
Nigel Stapley  
Petri Holopainen wrote:
> Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
> Eurovision Song Contest.
>
> http://www.lordi.org/
>
> They play hard rock dressed in heavy monster costumes and
> make-up, backed by pyrotechnics. When they give interviews
> they wear those same costumes and act in character.
>
> I'm actually interested enough to watch the constest itself for the
> first time.

I don't think aven this could tempt me back after 20 years, but I have
fond memories of that last Finnish entry I liked, Kojo's "Nuku Pommiin"
from about 1981. Harrogate had never seen or heard the like.

He got no points at all...

--
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www.judgemental.plus.com

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Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235613 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 16:10
Jens Ayton  
jester:
>
> OK, this year could be really interesting 8-)
>
> UK entry is a rap song, with dancers in school uniforms:
> < http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/eurovision/2006/mymu/contestant_ dazsampson.shtml>
>
> So, what weird acts have the rest of Europe (and others) got for us?

I believe our "final final" in the Swedish competition is tonight. I
know that Günther and the Sunshine Girls is/are participating, as is
[H]Elena Whatshername who won for Greece last year, although either/both
may have been knocked out already.


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Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235615 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 16:18
Beth Winter  
jester wrote:
>
> So, what weird acts have the rest of Europe (and others) got for us?

Ours is the same as (I think) three years ago. The weird red-haired guy,
though I think he might have turquoise hair at the moment. There's worse
out there, his ex-wife being one of them...

--
Beth Winter
Extenuation Collective <http://www.extenuation.net/>
"To absent friends, lost loves, old gods and the season of mists."
-- Neil Gaiman
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235618 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 16:34
Christian  
Petri Holopainen schrieb:

> Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
> Eurovision Song Contest.
>
> http://www.lordi.org/
>
> They play hard rock dressed in heavy monster costumes and
> make-up, backed by pyrotechnics. When they give interviews
> they wear those same costumes and act in character.
>
> I'm actually interested enough to watch the constest itself for the
> first time.
>
> Petri

Well, that would be worth watching, since I missed them at the W:O:A
2003.

You're not by any chance a brother of Esa Holopainen?
Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235619 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 16:39
elfin  
Petri Holopainen wrote:
> Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
> Eurovision Song Contest.
>
> http://www.lordi.org/
>
> They play hard rock dressed in heavy monster costumes and
> make-up, backed by pyrotechnics. When they give interviews
> they wear those same costumes and act in character.
>
> I'm actually interested enough to watch the constest itself for the
> first time.

hey I might be tempted to watch it to see them in action!

Just hope they get the votes, now that would be different...

elfin
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235634 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 18:15
Petri Sakari Holopain  
On 11 Mar 2006 07:34:23 -0800, "Christian"
<christianbecker2 [at] lycos.de> wrote:

>You're not by any chance a brother of Esa Holopainen?

Are you referring to the lead guitarist of Amorphis, by any chance?

Anyway, no, we're not related as far as I know. And the same goes
for Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish. Actually I'm quite clueless
when it comes to any kind of Metal music.

Petri
Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235641 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 18:42
Brian Howlett  
On 11 Mar, jester wrote:

[snip]
>
> UK entry is a rap song

[snip]
>
You omitted the "c"...
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Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235645 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 19:16
Brian Wakeling  
In a speech called slrne15dma.4kc.usenet [at] angel.jester.nu,
jester uttered thus:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:08:44 +0200, Petri Holopainen
> <petri.holopainen [at] kymp.net> wrote:
>>
>> Finns have voted Lordi to be our participant to this years
>> Eurovision Song Contest.
>>
>> http://www.lordi.org/
>>
>> They play hard rock dressed in heavy monster costumes and
>> make-up, backed by pyrotechnics. When they give interviews
>> they wear those same costumes and act in character.
>
> OK, this year could be really interesting 8-)
>
> UK entry is a rap song, with dancers in school uniforms:
> < http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/eurovision/2006/mymu/contestant_ dazsampson.shtml>
>
> So, what weird acts have the rest of Europe (and others) got for us?

Couldn't give a flying fuck, TBH. Never have done since I went to
university.

Any opportunity for ridiculing the whole thing is therefore gleefully
siezed upon.


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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235660 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 21:15
Gid Holyoake  
In article <91v512h5veqvhg2hoga97jorsgkv4to8fc [at] 4ax.com>, Petri
Holopainen generously decided to share with us..

> On 11 Mar 2006 07:34:23 -0800, "Christian"
> <christianbecker2 [at] lycos.de> wrote:
>
> >You're not by any chance a brother of Esa Holopainen?
>
> Are you referring to the lead guitarist of Amorphis, by any chance?
>
> Anyway, no, we're not related as far as I know. And the same goes
> for Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish. Actually I'm quite clueless
> when it comes to any kind of Metal music.

Come to Toast and Jam at the Con.. we have no idea of what tune we're
playing either.. teaching you Metal should be no problem.. :-)

Gid
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235662 ] Sa, 11 März 2006 21:25
Christian  
Petri Holopainen schrieb:

> On 11 Mar 2006 07:34:23 -0800, "Christian"
> <christianbecker2 [at] lycos.de> wrote:
>
> >You're not by any chance a brother of Esa Holopainen?
>
> Are you referring to the lead guitarist of Amorphis, by any chance?
>
> Anyway, no, we're not related as far as I know. And the same goes
> for Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish. Actually I'm quite clueless
> when it comes to any kind of Metal music.
>
> Petri

Well, thought so. But you never know. Btw. you can't be so clueless if
you know Amorphis and Nightwish,...well, I guess there's nobody in
Finland who doesn't know Nightwish (not so sure about Amorphis, even
though Tuonela is the best thing -that I know of- that comes from there
(if it is true you invented the sauna then this might be nearly as
good). I wouldn't call myself clueless when it comes to metal but I for
one didn't know there's a nightwisher named Holopainen as well.
Is it by any chance possible that you are a bit short in lastnames or
is it that some are very often and others one never hears of or, when
heard of, remembers? Like Smith and Jones and M=FCller and so on?
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235706 ] So, 12 März 2006 01:41
Andrew Perry  
Gid Holyoake wrote:
> In article <91v512h5veqvhg2hoga97jorsgkv4to8fc [at] 4ax.com>, Petri
> Holopainen generously decided to share with us..
>><christianbecker2 [at] lycos.de> wrote:
>>
>>>You're not by any chance a brother of Esa Holopainen?
>>
>>Are you referring to the lead guitarist of Amorphis, by any chance?
>>
>>Anyway, no, we're not related as far as I know. And the same goes
>>for Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish. Actually I'm quite clueless
>>when it comes to any kind of Metal music.
>
> Come to Toast and Jam at the Con.. we have no idea of what tune we're
> playing either.. teaching you Metal should be no problem.. :-)

I'll bring my drumsticks. If there's any blues, jazz, R&B or funk in it
for me. Will there be a drum kit, or shall I try to bring mine?
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235710 ] So, 12 März 2006 02:15
Gid Holyoake  
In article <duvqnu$dkt$2 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>, Torak generously decided
to share with us..

Snippetry..

> I'll bring my drumsticks. If there's any blues, jazz, R&B or funk in it
> for me. Will there be a drum kit, or shall I try to bring mine?

Ermm I presume Mr. Ogden will bring his kit, but I know nothing about
drummer ettiquette.. us guitarists seem to happily loan almost
anything, but drummers I know not wot of.. ask him..

Gid
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235718 ] So, 12 März 2006 03:38
Andrew Perry  
Gid Holyoake wrote:
> In article <duvqnu$dkt$2 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>, Torak generously decided
> to share with us..
>
> Snippetry..
>
>>I'll bring my drumsticks. If there's any blues, jazz, R&B or funk in it
>>for me. Will there be a drum kit, or shall I try to bring mine?
>
> Ermm I presume Mr. Ogden will bring his kit, but I know nothing about
> drummer ettiquette.. us guitarists seem to happily loan almost
> anything, but drummers I know not wot of.. ask him..

Most drummers, in my experience, don't mind letting other people use
their kits if it's the only kit and they're fairly certain that the
borrower isn't about to burst all the skins. But if I come by train - I
may come by Saab or Land Rover, but we shall see - it'll be tough
getting my kit in my hand luggage. :-)
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235729 ] So, 12 März 2006 05:10
Geoff Field  
Torak wrote:
> Gid Holyoake wrote:
>> In article <duvqnu$dkt$2 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>, Torak generously
>> decided to share with us..
>>
>> Snippetry..
>>
>>> I'll bring my drumsticks. If there's any blues, jazz, R&B or funk
>>> in it for me. Will there be a drum kit, or shall I try to bring
>>> mine?
>>
>> Ermm I presume Mr. Ogden will bring his kit, but I know nothing about
>> drummer ettiquette.. us guitarists seem to happily loan almost
>> anything, but drummers I know not wot of.. ask him..
>
> Most drummers, in my experience, don't mind letting other people use
> their kits if it's the only kit and they're fairly certain that the
> borrower isn't about to burst all the skins.

Particularly if they do their own roadie work. It's hard work, time-
consuming, awkward and space-consuming to try to set up multiple
kits.

> But if I come by train -
> I may come by Saab or Land Rover, but we shall see - it'll be tough
> getting my kit in my hand luggage. :-)

I carried a drum kit on a Melbourne tram once. I also used to pack it
into a '62 VW beetle occassionally.

Not something I'd like to do again.

Geoff


--
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235757 ] So, 12 März 2006 11:27
Petri Sakari Holopain  
On 11 Mar 2006 12:25:29 -0800, "Christian"
<christianbecker2 [at] lycos.de> wrote:

>Petri Holopainen schrieb:
>> "Christian" <christianbecker2 [at] lycos.de> wrote:
>> >You're not by any chance a brother of Esa Holopainen?
>> Are you referring to the lead guitarist of Amorphis, by any chance?
>> Anyway, no, we're not related as far as I know. And the same goes
>> for Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish. Actually I'm quite clueless
>> when it comes to any kind of Metal music.
>Well, thought so. But you never know. Btw. you can't be so clueless if
>you know Amorphis and Nightwish,...

I know their names but I didn't know that Amorphis was Finnish,
and when you mentioned Esa Holopainen, my only association to
that name was a finnish jockey, but after a google I gathered that
you probably meant the guitarist.

>well, I guess there's nobody in Finland who doesn't know Nightwish

Very few, I think. Last year when their singer Tarja Turunen was fired
from the band by an open letter after a gig, it was suddenly really
big news. There was a press conference, big headlines in the yellow
press and even respectable news programs covered it. I guess they
had gotten enough name to make it as a headline material, or maybe
it had just been a rather slow period for news. But prior to that I
didn't know any of the members of Nightwish.
..
>Is it by any chance possible that you are a bit short in lastnames or
>is it that some are very often and others one never hears of or, when
>heard of, remembers? Like Smith and Jones and Müller and so on?

Well, Holopainen isn't exactly common as a surname, although you
bump into it here and there. According to the Finnish Population
Register Centre the most common surname currently is Virtanen
(24136 alive) while for Holopainen it's 5404, so it's a coincidence...
or is it?

Should I kick up a Death Speed Black Metal band? All I need is
a name, a good one. One that reeks with the attitude and image
of the genre. Yes, I got it!

"Adorable Furry Bunnies With Dazed Kittens"

A sure winner.

Petri
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235765 ] So, 12 März 2006 12:46
Christian  
Petri Holopainen schrieb:

> Should I kick up a Death Speed Black Metal band? All I need is
> a name, a good one. One that reeks with the attitude and image
> of the genre. Yes, I got it!
>
> "Adorable Furry Bunnies With Dazed Kittens"
>
> A sure winner.
>
> Petri

Oh, come on, don't make fun of Black Metal. Bunnies, hah! We all know
Black Metallers belong to the species of Pandabears. Just look at them.
Black and white faces, black around the eyes and so on. *G*
Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235772 ] So, 12 März 2006 13:25
sphira9343  
Gid Holyoake wrote:

> Come to Toast and Jam at the Con.. we have no idea of what tune we're
> playing either

CCDE 2003
"This is a song that everyone knows, apart from the band..."

CCA
Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235899 ] So, 12 März 2006 21:42
Sofia  
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:18:59 +0100, Beth Winter wrote:

> Ours is the same as (I think) three years ago. The weird red-haired guy,
> though I think he might have turquoise hair at the moment. There's worse
> out there, his ex-wife being one of them...


It might be worth tuning in just to see them - I'd love a good chuckle! :-)


All the best


Sofie

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235945 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 01:44
Eric Jarvis  
Torak a.w.m.perry [at] durham.ac.uk wrote in
<dv01jf$fl1$1 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>:
> Gid Holyoake wrote:
> > In article <duvqnu$dkt$2 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>, Torak generously decided
> > to share with us..
> >
> > Snippetry..
> >
> >>I'll bring my drumsticks. If there's any blues, jazz, R&B or funk in it
> >>for me. Will there be a drum kit, or shall I try to bring mine?
> >
> > Ermm I presume Mr. Ogden will bring his kit, but I know nothing about
> > drummer ettiquette.. us guitarists seem to happily loan almost
> > anything, but drummers I know not wot of.. ask him..
>
> Most drummers, in my experience, don't mind letting other people use
> their kits if it's the only kit and they're fairly certain that the
> borrower isn't about to burst all the skins. But if I come by train - I
> may come by Saab or Land Rover, but we shall see - it'll be tough
> getting my kit in my hand luggage. :-)
>

Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
simultaneous drummers.

--
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Re: [I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235946 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 01:46
Eric Jarvis  
CCA sphira9343 [at] aol.com wrote in
<1142166307.578199.317550 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>:
> Gid Holyoake wrote:
>
> > Come to Toast and Jam at the Con.. we have no idea of what tune we're
> > playing either
>
> CCDE 2003
> "This is a song that everyone knows, apart from the band..."
>

We also managed one which nobody knew apart from the singer.

--
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www.ericjarvis.co.uk
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235961 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 04:38
Andrew Perry  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Torak a.w.m.perry [at] durham.ac.uk wrote in
> <dv01jf$fl1$1 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>:
>
>>Gid Holyoake wrote:
>>
>>>In article <duvqnu$dkt$2 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>, Torak generously decided
>>>to share with us..
>>>
>>>Snippetry..
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll bring my drumsticks. If there's any blues, jazz, R&B or funk in it
>>>>for me. Will there be a drum kit, or shall I try to bring mine?
>>>
>>>Ermm I presume Mr. Ogden will bring his kit, but I know nothing about
>>>drummer ettiquette.. us guitarists seem to happily loan almost
>>>anything, but drummers I know not wot of.. ask him..
>>
>>Most drummers, in my experience, don't mind letting other people use
>>their kits if it's the only kit and they're fairly certain that the
>>borrower isn't about to burst all the skins. But if I come by train - I
>>may come by Saab or Land Rover, but we shall see - it'll be tough
>>getting my kit in my hand luggage. :-)
>
> Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
> simultaneous drummers.

I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or both of
the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that happen once).
It *usually* works well.
Re: .[I] Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235965 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 05:56
eero.suoranta  
Petri Holopainen wrote:

<metal and the name Holopainen>

> Should I kick up a Death Speed Black Metal band? All I need is
> a name, a good one. One that reeks with the attitude and image
> of the genre. Yes, I got it!
>
> "Adorable Furry Bunnies With Dazed Kittens"
>
> A sure winner.

Well...
speed metal + classical = Apocalyptica
melodic metal + symphony orchestra = Nightwish
hard rock + actually good lyrics = CMX
And so on.

It seems you can combine metal with about anything, so why not cute
animals?
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235973 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 07:50
Brenda  
Torak said:

> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>
>> Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
>> simultaneous drummers.
>
> I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or both of
> the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that happen once).
> It *usually* works well.

This had me fazed for a minute. What has ego to do with music? And then I
thought back 20 years or so... Yeah, okay, guilty...

Fortunately, in most people excessive ego eventually evaporates. If you're
lucky, talent is precipitated.

--
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http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235982 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 08:39
Eric Jarvis  
Torak a.w.m.perry [at] durham.ac.uk wrote in
<dv2pgd$a4k$1 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
> > Torak a.w.m.perry [at] durham.ac.uk wrote in
> > <dv01jf$fl1$1 [at] heffalump.dur.ac.uk>:
> >
> >>Most drummers, in my experience, don't mind letting other people use
> >>their kits if it's the only kit and they're fairly certain that the
> >>borrower isn't about to burst all the skins. But if I come by train - I
> >>may come by Saab or Land Rover, but we shall see - it'll be tough
> >>getting my kit in my hand luggage. :-)
> >
> > Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
> > simultaneous drummers.
>
> I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or both of
> the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that happen once).
> It *usually* works well.
>

I just have the feeling that you and Adrian are likely to be different
enough that it might work rather well. Not that one should over think it,
it's supposed to be a jam after all, we aren't supposed to know what we
are doing. :)

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #235994 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 11:26
sssogadr  
Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:

>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
>simultaneous drummers.

How precisely do you wish to define "simultaneous"?


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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236003 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 12:59
Geoff Field  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Torak said:
>
>> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>>
>>> Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with
>>> two simultaneous drummers.
>>
>> I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or
>> both of the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that
>> happen once). It *usually* works well.
>
> This had me fazed for a minute. What has ego to do with music? And
> then I thought back 20 years or so... Yeah, okay, guilty...
>
> Fortunately, in most people excessive ego eventually evaporates. If
> you're lucky, talent is precipitated.

IME it *really* works well if one drummer just plays time while the
other mucks around a bit. Even better if they then play "swapsies".

Two mucking around is just noise.

Geoff


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Professional Geek,
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236014 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 14:23
jester  
On 13 Mar 2006 10:26:42 GMT, Adrian Ogden
<sssogadr [at] reading.ac.uk> wrote:
>Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
>
>>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
>>simultaneous drummers.
>
>How precisely do you wish to define "simultaneous"?

I thought we were talking about drummers. A correct definition of
simultaneous is impossible in that case.

--
Andy Brown
Pascal - A programming language named after a man who would turn over in his
grave if he knew about it.
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236021 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 14:57
Brenda  
Adrian Ogden said:

> Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
>
>>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
>>simultaneous drummers.
>
> How precisely do you wish to define "simultaneous"?

"All together now, haONE, haTWO and haONE TWO THREE FOUR...."

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236033 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 15:38
naomi  
Petri Holopainen wrote:
> On 11 Mar 2006 12:25:29 -0800, "Christian"

> .
>> Is it by any chance possible that you are a bit short in lastnames or
>> is it that some are very often and others one never hears of or, when
>> heard of, remembers? Like Smith and Jones and Müller and so on?
>
> Well, Holopainen isn't exactly common as a surname, although you
> bump into it here and there. According to the Finnish Population
> Register Centre the most common surname currently is Virtanen
> (24136 alive) while for Holopainen it's 5404, so it's a coincidence...
> or is it?

>
> Petri
>

How Common is Kuivalainen (my maiden name)? There are only 10 or so in
Australia and I'm related to all of them.

It was funny when my parents went on holidays to Finland because in
Australia we always have to spell out the name for everyone. My mum went
to buy a ticket and started spelling it for the lady at the counter. The
lady at the counter got really offended and said "I went to School, I do
know how to spell Kuivalainen." Of course she said it in Finnish, but
unfortunately I cant speak or write finnish, I can understand a fair bit.

Naomi
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236044 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 16:03
Andrew Perry  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Torak said:
>
>
>>Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>
>>>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
>>>simultaneous drummers.
>>
>>I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or both of
>>the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that happen once).
>>It *usually* works well.
>
>
> This had me fazed for a minute. What has ego to do with music? And then I
> thought back 20 years or so... Yeah, okay, guilty...
>
> Fortunately, in most people excessive ego eventually evaporates. If you're
> lucky, talent is precipitated.

Hehe, yeah. Last time I tried it was a joint gig with a school band in
Luxembourg; their drummer had got it into his head that we could only do
two tunes jointly, and that he wanted 70% of the rest. He also had his
little fan club (their band was local, ours was from Brussels) cheering
him on, even though in retrospect - I found the video a few months ago -
he wasn't actually terribly good.

The problem arises when one of the drummers believes himself to be
superior *for no reason*. If they actually are superior, they tend not
to feel the need to prove it... I call that SAS syndrome. ;-)
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236045 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 16:05
Andrew Perry  
Geoff Field wrote:
>>Torak said:
>>>Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>>
>>>>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with
>>>>two simultaneous drummers.
>>>
>>>I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or
>>>both of the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that
>>>happen once). It *usually* works well.
>
> IME it *really* works well if one drummer just plays time while the
> other mucks around a bit. Even better if they then play "swapsies".

Particularly if they can trade beats back and forth, sort of question
and answer thing.

> Two mucking around is just noise.

Yeah, particularly if one of them has a 24" China and thinks it's a
great plan to use it as a beat-keeping cymbal on every two and four in
Girl From Ipanema....
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236047 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 16:07
Andrew Perry  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Torak a.w.m.perry [at] durham.ac.uk wrote in
>>Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>>
>>>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
>>>simultaneous drummers.
>>
>>I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or both of
>>the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that happen once).
>>It *usually* works well.
>
> I just have the feeling that you and Adrian are likely to be different
> enough that it might work rather well. Not that one should over think it,
> it's supposed to be a jam after all, we aren't supposed to know what we
> are doing. :)

Sounds promising.... I'll have to try to get the drums down there.
Probably means I'll drive down in the Land Rover.
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236099 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 19:38
Eric Jarvis  
Adrian Ogden sssogadr [at] reading.ac.uk wrote in
<dv3hd2$eip$1 [at] vins1.reading.ac.uk>:
> Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
>
> >Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
> >simultaneous drummers.
>
> How precisely do you wish to define "simultaneous"?
>

Playing what is theoretically the same song at approximately the same
time. Starting and finishing at the same time would be neat, but unlikely
in the context since mostly nobody else manages it. :)

--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236100 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 19:42
Eric Jarvis  
Richard Heathfield invalid [at] invalid.invalid wrote in
<dv3tp1$t59$2 [at] nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>:
> Adrian Ogden said:
>
> > Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
> >>simultaneous drummers.
> >
> > How precisely do you wish to define "simultaneous"?
>
> "All together now, haONE, haTWO and haONE TWO THREE FOUR...."
>

I belive the correct afp version is "haONE, haTWO, and haONE TEO MANY
LOTS"

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eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236101 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 19:40
Eric Jarvis  
Geoff Field geoff_field [at] suespammers.org wrote in
<44155e9e$0$14240$afc38c87 [at] news.optusnet.com.au>:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > Torak said:
> >
> >> Eric Jarvis wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with
> >>> two simultaneous drummers.
> >>
> >> I have, on three or four occasions. It's good fun, unless one or
> >> both of the drummers is overburdened by excessive ego (seen that
> >> happen once). It *usually* works well.
> >
> > This had me fazed for a minute. What has ego to do with music? And
> > then I thought back 20 years or so... Yeah, okay, guilty...
> >
> > Fortunately, in most people excessive ego eventually evaporates. If
> > you're lucky, talent is precipitated.
>
> IME it *really* works well if one drummer just plays time while the
> other mucks around a bit. Even better if they then play "swapsies".
>
> Two mucking around is just noise.
>

I saw Chester Thompson and Phil Collins doing precisely that back when
Genesis where just becoming deathly dull.

--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2006 [message #236146 ] Mo, 13 März 2006 22:46
Andrew Perry  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Adrian Ogden sssogadr [at] reading.ac.uk wrote in
>>Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>>Two drum kits would be interesting. I've never actually played with two
>>>simultaneous drummers.
>>
>>How precisely do you wish to define "simultaneous"?
>
> Playing what is theoretically the same song at approximately the same
> time. Starting and finishing at the same time would be neat, but unlikely
> in the context since mostly nobody else manages it. :)

I remember one gig we played - also at the European School in Luxembourg
- where we'd finished the set and started clearing the stage. A few of
us (me on drums, two guitars, a bass and a banjo) waited, because we
were on a riser at the back that required some gymnastics to descend from.

As the curtains started closing - slowly, and on a wide stage - I heard
one of the guitarists picking out the intro to Johnny B.

"Go on," I said, "plug it in and jam a bit." So he did, and eight
seconds later we were boogieing along.

The problem was that the audience thought we were doing an encore. So
did the stage crew, so they started opening the bloody curtains again.

Cue one of the conductors leaping up and down just behind the curtain,
gesturing for us to stop, so we continued to the end of the phrase...

....and stopped.

On exactly the same beat. At exactly the same time. A perfect ending on
the one, nice flam on the snare, and so on.

Crowd goes nuts, curtain finally closes, we go home, job done.

That was a fun gig. Not as fun as the previous one, where 80 people from
the audience got up on the stage and started dancing to Tequila and Hot
Hot Hot, but fun nevertheless.
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